Catholic Commute S02E29 5 Layers of Ogres

Understand yourself to succeed at life

The way we view the world is incredibly complex. Like Ogres, we humans have many layers that determine who we are and how we interact with the world around us. The better we understand these layers, the better we’re able to control our interactions. The better we understand the layers of others, the better we can relate and connect.

In this episode, I explore 5 layers that all of us humans have. They’re each different, but help to define who we are and the gifts God has given us. We need to understand those layers to best predict how we’ll succeed and find happiness.

I mention several links in today’s episode.

First, a free DISC assessment test that I think is pretty good.  Note they will offer to sell you more complicated assessments. Stick with the free:

DISC Assessment

Next, this is the StrengthsFinders test that I recommend:
Lastly, this is the Catholic StrengthsFinder Book:

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S02E29 5 Layers of Ogres


St. Thomas Aquinas, Wisdom

Precious Father,
Precious Lord Jesus,
Wonderful Holy Spirit,
I give you thanksgiving, praise, honor, and glory for all things good and great in my life and in the world today.
Sometimes I think I know all about me.
Sometimes I think I know why I think and do what I think and do.
However, every time I think I know myself, I find out I do not know much at all.
In your love and in your will, help me know more about myself.
Teach me when I need to know more about myself, I need to know more about you.
Fill my heart with your love so I will begin to see you as you really are…a being of love who died to set me free.
Show me how you formed me and made me.
Show me how I can be more like the love-made person you want me to be.
In the name of God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit, Amen


  • Author Unknown


Wisdom is competence to understand how life actually works.

We live in a pluralistic society where people are fighting constantly about morality, but this obscures something deeper from us, something that ancient societies would have seen:

Moral standards, as crucial as they are, don’t actually address the vast majority of situations that we face.

E.g. helping a poor family can go very badly

Secular culture talks about science and facts, religious communities talk about morality. Yet what we need even more is “wisdom” which is not knowledge or morality.


Proverbs 8:10-11 Take my instruction instead of silver,
   and knowledge rather than choice gold;
11 for wisdom is better than jewels,
   and all that you may desire cannot compare with her.


So what way do I want to talk about Wisdom today, and why Ogres?


<Ogres are like Onions> 5min


Today I want to talk about just 5 of those layers and why they matter


First, why is it important to know oneself? – to find happiness and contentment

  • Ephesians 2 and 4 Paul speaks of the idea of structure with stones, or a body with members.  Each part must fit.
  • It’s how we find happiness and fulfillment
  • The greatest joy and peace comes from finding God’s plan
  • That’s often a good litmus test, but we can do better!
  • Reference to Barons’ podcast, how to figure out what to do with own life?


My story about college -> industry -> business -> Dan Long learning



  1. Gender
    1. Men and women are different, even though now illegal to say so in Canada (Jordan Peterson)
    2. Theology of the Body:
      1. Men outward, women inward
      2. Men train by example, women train by “help”
      3. Men focus more on one objective and relentlessly drive, women have balance
      4. All jobs/professions/roles can be done by either, but paint a picture that is consistent with your gender
    3. May be called to stay at home with kids.  Think about it. Story of wife.
  2. Temperament
    1. Temperaments, DISC, Briggs-Meyers, Enneagram (not so much)
    2. Task vs. Person
    3. These frameworks define how you see the world, literally. (myself vs wife as walk into house)
    4. Outgoing (movement) vs. reserved (careful, consideration) (different from TEOB outwards vs. inwards)
    5. Note: these define how you naturally relate to others, but with this knowledge you can adjust yourself
    6. Some professions are better served by certain temperaments
      1. CEOs/Trial Lawyers/Confrontational Positions are D-benefitted
      2. Accountantint / Engineer / etc. often are C-benefitted
      3. People management is I-benefitted
      4. S is currently undervalued. Perspective. Gentleness. Perhaps you thought of a teacher of younger children – certainly true. But behind every great leader is an S who keeps them grounded. The smart ones know it and take care of them.
    7. Not a limiting factor, but you will enjoy it more if you get a good fit.
    8. If you do not know your temperament, go take a test
    9. If you do not understand what temperaments are, go learn.  It will change how you relate to others, especially to family
  3. Talents/Skills/Strengths
    1. Now we’re hitting into profession-sorting Gold!
    2. Semi-correlated with temperament, but not strongly.
    3. Talent vs. Skill vs. Strength
    4. Take the Strengthfinders Test, about 34 different strengths it will rate
    5. These directly contribute to your success in career or vocation
    6. I really wish I could have done this before I started college!
    7. It’s never too late.
  4. Experiences
    1. These affect our opinions, our viewpoints of other people, and how we think the world works
    2. Note, a lot of these conclusions are disordered! E.g. in my case, my father left when I was in 6th grade, that has defined my view of fathers
    3. What’s important for this layer is that we be intentionally aware of it, aware of the implications. Both in ourselves and in others
    4. Be careful not to judge, and be quick to forgive
    5. Belief/Value systems start in this layer
  5. Training
    1. This layer should fit as a conclusion to the layers below – but rarely does!  Instead most of us pick something that “sounds good” with little further thought
    2. Is it any wonder then why job changes are so frequent, and job satisfaction so low?
    3. Training should be a means to an end, not an end in itself
    4. Modern college has become an “end”
    5. Belief/ Value systems are developed in this layer


  1. Gender
  2. Temperament
  3. Talents/Skills/Strengths
  4. Experiences
  5. Training

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